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Post by narnee on Jun 21, 2007 15:07:57 GMT -5
i was diagnosed with a blighted ovum at 8 weeks, although it was suspected at my 6 week 3 day ultrasound. since i have had 2 previous failed pregnancies (missed miscarriage and etopic pregnancy), i wanted to avoid surgery this time if possible and have elected to try to let my body pass naturally. i have been spotting for 2 weeks (tomorrow would be 12 weeks), and only have started real bleeding and cramping as of last night. does anyone know what is typical? i would really appreciate any feedback from those who have been through this the natural way and what i might can expect. thanks so much. my email address: suziesurvey@yahoo.com... i may not be able to figure out how to get back to this thread... but maybe i will. i'll try at least. info from you all would really really be appreciated.
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Post by boots on Jun 21, 2007 18:19:22 GMT -5
Hey suzie, Hope you get back to this thread. I'm sorry about your losses. I can certainly relate. Those I had naturally were more like periods, other than the one that went until 12 wks. I was very crampy, lots and lots of blood loss and ended up in emerg having a D&C anyway and on IV's etc for the blood loss. The other naturals were earlier and like I said, more like a period.
My suggestion would be that if the cramping or the blood loss gets too much and very uncomfortable, get yourself into the hospital and let them take care of you there. Many are fine at home (most I'm sure) but I'm just saying that it's better to be there is you have any concerns than at home and I would make sure you have someone around for a few days or someone you can call if you don't feel well. Hemoglobin levels can drop dramatically if you have too much loss in a short period of time.
Everyone is different and hopefull you will have an easy time physically. I know emotionally is tough. That was the toughest part of a natural for me, was that it intensified my emotional trauma even more.
Hugs to you and I'll check back later to see if you get this.
Barb
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Post by narnee on Jun 21, 2007 20:07:21 GMT -5
oh no. i was afraid of this. i have heard these things happening. my cramping is off and on, and at this point not severe. the bleeding is also off and on w/ nothing heavy. the doctor seemed ok with my wanting to let nature take its course (even as i discussed with him in his office less than a week ago), but also he said to be alert to red flags of soaking a pad in less than an hour, severe cramping &/or fever. your experience of "natural" after 12 weeks sounds very scary, and now i am concerned. i do not feel badly at the moment, not worse than i have felt in the past on the occassional crampy period (happens once every few years for me, typically no symptoms whatsoever w/my periods). although it was a scary thing to read (your post), i am grateful for your honesty and information. very much. and i just kept this page open, so i could try to figure out how to get back to this thread. thanks again. if there are others, too, who can provide more info, i would be ever so grateful.
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Post by eli on Jun 21, 2007 23:42:07 GMT -5
I was diagnosed at 7 weeks and started bleeding at 9 weeks. I began bleeding and by that night I passed the sac (placental tissue). I then bled another week or so. The bleeding was only heavy the one night. I too wanted to avoid surgery and would do it again the same way if I had to face it again. You do have to be careful when you choose to do it naturally because you can bleed too much. Like you said filling more than one pad an hour is too much blood loss. Maybe since your hard cramping started last night it will happen soon. My experience was different than yours because I didn't spot for weeks. I started lightly bleeding and within 12 hours or so it became very heavy and I got really crampy. Good luck to you and I'm so sorry for you loss.
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Post by narnee on Jun 22, 2007 5:11:40 GMT -5
thank you for your reply. i'm so on the fence with what to do. i have not bled much in the last 24 hours, i have yet to have any bleeding that is representative of the "2nd day of a regular period" (which is always the heaviest for me). i have passed some tissue, but small amounts at a time, nothing much. this concerns me, that my body may not dealing with this like it should by getting rid of the tissue more quickly (although the doctor mentioned that sometimes the body absorbs it), and i'm fearful of getting myself in a dangerous situation, only because of the 12 week mark today. if it were earlier, i would not be as concerned. your feedback is much appreciated, so thank you SO much for taking the time to write to me about your experience. i hope i will hear from others. also, with it being the weekend, i would hate to be in an "ER" situation rather than dealing directly with my OBGYN doctors office...
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Post by magentajade on Jun 22, 2007 5:17:49 GMT -5
Hi Suzie,
I was confirmed at my 12 weeks scan and had a slight bleed the day before the u/s i miscarried naturally 3 days later, had what was like a heavy period and passed the sack. I didn't have any pain other than period like cramping and once i had passed the sack that stopped. The only drawback i experienced is that with natural it can take a while for the process to complete (mine was about a month), you have spotting, bleeding, a bit more spotting possibly some more bleeding - you just don't know... this can drag out the emotional turmoil that you are in and can make the emotional healing process longer.
I don't think barb is trying to worry you unnecesarily, as she says everybodies experiences are different but you need to be aware of the signs in case you do experience any problems, which can be dealt with easier in a hospital. As barb said, her experiences were all like heavy periods except the later term m/c. As your's was at an earlier stage possibly 6-8 weeks it shouldn't be as heavy as 10-12 weeks but keep an eye out fo infection, fever etc and take barbs advice re heavy blood loss.
I wish nobody had to go through this at all and am sorry that you have joined us. Please don't worry too much, if you have decided to go down the natural path then expect that it will just be like a heavy period and that you may or my not have some cramping, but prepare for the other scenarios just so that you have an idea of what to do. I'm sure you won't need to but it's better to know what to do if it does happen.
I hope you get over the physical side of things soon and can then heal emotionally, bookmark this site if you can, barb's and all the other women who post have helped me so much, answering questions and sharing experiences and made things so much clearer. The scariest thing for me was not knowing what to expect next and having all of the scenarios offered took away the unknown.
I hope things work out well for you and sorry you have had to go through this. MJ
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Post by daffylexer on Jun 22, 2007 7:57:43 GMT -5
I'm so sorry for your losses. You've come to a wonderful place for support. All the ladies here are wonderful, and I know I wouldn't have made it through my m/c and recovery without them.
I m/c naturally at about 8 weeks. I spotted from about week for to week 6, but then after the b/o was diagnosed, the spotting stopped. It started again about 9 nines later, and then 3 days after that I m/c'ed. It was very painful for me, although that's not the case with all women. For me, the day it started in full force, the pain was like AF cramps (they had been getting progressively stronger over the previous days). By 1:00 they had become contractions -- 2 minute contractions 3 mintues apart. It felt like something was trying to push through my cervix. I ended up having the doc call in a prescription for me. I felt the placenta tear off, which hurt, but not too bad. The contractions finally eased off at about 6:00, and were so faint by 11:00 that I was able to go to sleep (although that could be becuase of the meds). By morning, I felt great, very euphoric. If I had another b/o I'd want to try to go naturally again. However, please keep in mind that going natural after 9 weeks has an added risk of homoraging. It doesn't mean you will, but please keep an eye on the bleeding, and if it gets to be a pad every hour, either call for an ambulance or have someone drive you to the hospital.
Keep us posted on how your doing.
Big hugs, Alexa
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Post by narnee on Jun 22, 2007 8:46:54 GMT -5
thank you for your 2 posts. i am on the fence today regarding what to do... to go ahead and go in for a D&C today (i still have not eaten) and just be done with it, or just wait and see. and yes, the timing of now 12 weeks w/only light bleeing for a week and spotting the week before is my concern... i'm wondering how much there is to pass. i will go ahead and contact my doctor to get their recommendation(s). emotionally, this time (loss #3) i am not as troubled. failed pregnancies are all i know. i have no children, but it was my one and only dream growing up (and as an adult, so far) to have children. i am learning to accept and be at peace with the possibility/probability that this will not happen for me. i'm amazed that i AM gaining a peace, but i have turned it over to God, and friends are praying for me. both of these things help. i truly truly appreciate your feedback. i don't feel nearly as alone. i don't know anyone else personally who has had any of the experiences i have with regards to my various pregnancy losses. if this one had been like either of the other 2, i would know what to expect, but this is a new variety, and i'm just a little shaken by the unknown of what might could happen. i don't want to get to a point where i am in danger (hemoraging, infection). i guess there is no way to be sure that i can avoid those things, even if i were to go IN for surgery - - since there is always a risk there. my thought is, if hospitals and surgery can be avoided with successful outcome, then that is the way to go, but i am still scared... either way, really. thanks SO much for ALL of your feedback. it means very much to me.
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Post by daffylexer on Jun 22, 2007 10:46:37 GMT -5
Narnee, I know you're going to feel sad, hurt, angry, and everything else that comes along with losing a baby, but try not to give up hope. When you're ready to think about it, remember the story of an old boss of mine. She had multiple m/c's during the 3 years I worked for her. By her 3rd pg, her doctor put her on bedrest from the moment she got her BFP. It didn't help. She lost that one, and quite a few after. She had no problems getting pg, but couldn't stay pg. This was 10 years ago, and the docs couldn't really figure out why. In 2000, she gave birth to her twins, a boy and a girl, both of whom were healthy, beautiful babies. Whenever I get down about not having a baby, I remember my boss and it gives me hope. I hope her story will give you hope too.
Hugs, Alexa
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Post by eli on Jun 22, 2007 19:27:29 GMT -5
Narnee, Just want you to know that you are not alone in the fact that "failed pregnancies are all you know" and your "one and only dream growing up (and as an adult, so far) is to have children." We have been trying for 7 years with no luck and only one BO. We try so hard to conceive while my neighbor tried once and it happened. I don't know why this happens to some of us. Keep us posted with what the doctor said and what you decide to do. If you decide to stay natural it's good to always be around a friend or family member. If there is an emergency they can be there for you. My husband happened to be at work the night I m/c. I had a friend over and we were watching a movie when it happened. Everything went well but if I had an emergency situation she would have been there. Good luck to you, hang in there......
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Post by boots on Jun 24, 2007 10:51:42 GMT -5
Narnee,
Hope to hear from you soon with how you are doing and what you decided. Don't give up hope. I did, for the most part, then wham....pg. So, it can happen after multiple losses. I was on progesterone and low dose aspirin and more and more studies point to the low dose aspirin as helping with successful pg's where there were unexplained losses in the past.
I am so sorry you are having to go thru this and please know I was not trying to terrify you by giving you my details. Perhaps that m/c would have been the same for me at 8 wks or 12 wks, just happened at 12 wks for me where my others were earlier.
I chose D&C on subsequent later ones b/c of the emotional factor as mentioned, plus they can test the tissue for problems.
My heart goes out to you and I hope things ( naturally or sugically) go smoothly for you physically. We are here for you when you need the emotional support.
Barb
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Post by narnee on Jun 25, 2007 15:46:23 GMT -5
our internet has been down due to their server technical updates or something... service is finally back up. thanks for your responses. still hanging in there with the natural way, although i will admit a bit scary at times. this is the first failed pregnancy where i have 12 weeks of build-up in the uterus.
w/the etopic pregnancy, i had a period after 9 weeks, and it was heavy but not too too bad. last night i had a rush of bleeding that seemed to be blood (not tissue) and this concerned me (this happened around 11:30pm). i stayed up until 4:30 am, checking the bleeding every hour to make sure i wasn't in the "more than a pad an hour" range, which is to indicate danger.
i was able to sleep for a few hours this morning, and thankfully, as i am a graphic designer with my own business working from home, i have taken it easy today - - sort of taking the day off as best i can. i am still having the bright red (heavier than normal bleeding) today, but nothing that indicates danger... at the moment. i keep wondering - - "is the worst of it over, or is that yet to come... how long will this last, etc"...
i did have strange and intense spasms at the base of my spine last night - - where i expected the traditional "cramps" in the front... not sure what that is about. i will ask my dr. next time i see him/her/them.
i'm still hoping that my body will completely handle this smoothly and with no alarms or danger, naturally. very much hoping. i guess with this at the forefront of my mind - - and not so much thoughts of subsequent pregnancies, i'm really not sure how i am going to feel about trying to attempt pregnancy in the future - - considering both my age (now 40) and my history of the variety of failed pregnancies (missed miscarriage, then etopic, then blighted ovum)... i truly do not care to go through another failed pregnancy, and at my age, i'm not sure i am wanting to risk the possibility of another failed pregnancy to also have the possibility of a successful pregnancy. if i were younger, i'm sure i would feel differently.
i ask myself and ask God if there are other plans for me that i need to look at - - adoption, maybe (although i have never really thought seriously about that for various reasons), or that i am to focus my efforts, talents and energy elsewhere (not children)... who knows.
right now, i am just praying to get through this current BO safely and naturally.
you all are so dear, kind and thoughtful to send me your thoughts, compassion and sympathy. i truly truly appreciate it. - susan
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Post by cheri on Jun 25, 2007 16:29:04 GMT -5
I have had two BO, one I miscarried naturally and the other I chose to have a D/C. For me the natural miscarry was easier. I had a little more cramping than a period. I was bleeding like a heavy period. Then I had more liquid come out, almost like the sac breaking. Then I passed the sac. It did not hurt or feel anything like a labor. The bleeding stopped the next day. For the DC it was more of an ordeal. Still everyone's body is different.
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Post by narnee on Jun 25, 2007 18:03:09 GMT -5
thanks so much for this info cheri. much appreciated. helps me not be so nervous. i'll be glad when this is just all over... although, i know a D&C would have assured the "over" part much more quickly. i have had D&Cs in the past (2), and i just wanted to avoid it this time if i could. i just worry, since it took so long for my body to decide to go ahead and miscarry this blighted ovum... almost exactly 12 weeks to the day (strange) - - that it might not handle it successfully or safely. i did talk with a lady today, by chance, who told me she had a blighted ovum go to 6 months and her body went through all the obvious stages as if she were carrying a baby, and she had a 'delivery' (of what???) at 6 months... i had never heard of such a thing. i believe this happened to her in her mid-twenties, and i would guess she may be in her late 50's / early 60's now... so???
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Post by eli on Jun 25, 2007 22:54:21 GMT -5
In regards to your "strange and intense spasms at the base of your spine"~ I hardly had any pain in the front. It was all in my lower back and bottom area. I was told that was because I have a retroverted uterus (it tilts towards my back). I don't know if a doctor has ever mentioned that to you but that may be all that is. I wouldn't worry about it.
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Post by daffylexer on Jun 26, 2007 8:01:52 GMT -5
{{{{narnee}}}} I wish I could say "this is when it will be over," or "this is what to expect." I know it would make things so much easier. But it sounds as if you're handling this well, and your strength is shining through. Keep us posted. I'll be thinking of you.
Alexa
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Post by Egirl on Jun 26, 2007 9:03:52 GMT -5
Hi narnee~ Just checking in on you hun. Hope things are progressing for you a bit more now. I know you are ready for this to be over. I'm so sorry you are having this situation. Just know we're all here for you. I've had 2 D&C's and a natural m/c with a chemical pregnancy. I had no complications or major issues with any of my choices (surgery vs. m/c). Please let us know how you are!
Hugs XO Erin
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Post by narnee on Jun 26, 2007 15:37:18 GMT -5
you all are so dear and i truly appreciate it.
things are better today. i am feeling more like myself - - not so tired or ill. bleeding is still bright red, but not as heavy and not so much pain, and mostly mixed with tissue - - and to me that is more normal / safe then just straight bleeding (right?).
i have never been told that i have retroverted uterus, but i will definately ask about that next time i see the doctor. with all the failed pregnancy issues and MANY subsequent "tests" done, you would think that they would know about this type of thing and tell me... but maybe not. certainly can't hurt to ask. thanks for that info!
i went to their office to give blood for them to check my hgc levels, then i will have 2nd blood draw in a week to compare. if number is zero at that time, they will not do another ultrasound on 7/10 (currently scheduled), but if numbers are not zero by then they will do another ultrasound to see if they need to do a D&C after all (if my body doesn't get rid of all the tissue on its own). i am hoping that surgery this time will be completely avoidable. time will tell.
i feel like i'm becoming quite the expert on "variations of failed pregnancies". i'm just thankful that i have not experienced a molar pregnancy or a still birth - - either of these options would be worse, so i am grateful... that if i had to experience a failed pregnancy, that the 3 i have had at least are not molar or still birth.
any woman that has dealt with a still birth... well, i feel that makes my situation look quite insignificant and my heart truly truly goes out to them.
thank you all SO much for the communication of your experience(s) and your encouragement. i am so very grateful. i'll keep checking back when i can. - susan
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Post by narnee on Jun 29, 2007 13:16:51 GMT -5
dr. called this afternoon to communicate that hcg levels for me (from tuesday's blood draw) are at 560. they feel this is high and have scheduled me for yet another ultrasound on monday morning. if they still see the gestational sac & yolk sac (like they did on the 15th), they will most likely insist on going ahead with a D&C, although i have been trying to avoid that this time. i'll keep you posted.
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Post by emadagan on Jun 29, 2007 21:45:15 GMT -5
Susan, I hope that things resolve naturally for you. From your posts it sounds like you have been progressing through. Take care this weekend. I'll be thinking of you. For now I am waiting to have blood drawn to check hcg levels again Monday. My u/s showed the sac was gone and i didn't even know it. I have no idea how long it takes the hormone levels to go back down.
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Post by narnee on Jul 1, 2007 13:34:26 GMT -5
carol - thanks for letting me know. i have an ultrasound at 8:15 tomorrow/monday morning. if they still see the sac(s), they will probably do a D&C right away tomorrow. i ended up bleeding for about one week for the exception of one day, then picked back up. please let me know what your hcg levels are. mine last tuesday (2 days after starting the real bleeding) were at 560. i think they may be concerned that the sac(s) are still there, which can get scary... infection, etc. i'll let you/ you all know what happens. thanks for being there with/for me! - susan
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Post by narnee on Jul 1, 2007 17:50:33 GMT -5
also, based on my conversation with the doctors nurse friday, and some info from her that i found confusing - - she seemed to be concerned that i am experiencing another etopic pregnancy based on my hcg levels, even though they communicated at my 6 week ultrasound "at least this pregnancy is in the right place"... i have found this info today that wouldl explain thier findings and their new concern regarding my case:
--- Ultrasound can be misleading at times. Occasionally, "intrauterine" pregnancies are identified that are, in fact, ectopic pregnancies with sufficient inflammatory reaction and bleeding around them to make it appear that they are surrounded by normal uterine muscle. In some other cases, an "intrauterine" pregnancy is identified that is, in fact, a "gestational pseudosac" within the uterus. This pseudosac is a response by the endometrium to the hormones of pregnancy and can mimic the appearance of an intrauterine pregnancy.---
i see that another current lady posting is possibly experiencing the same thing - - not sure if a blighted ovum or an etopic.
i certainly am hoping that what was initially diagnosed as a blighted ovum doesn't end up being an etopic, but i guess the evolution of next week will tell.
interesting, my first etopic pregnancy was a mystery to me as the findings (or lack of) were not in line with etopic pregnancy experiences and the doctors office referred to me as "the case" during their search to figure out what was going on.
i feel so bumbed AGAIN - - i truly hoped for an easier way out of THIS (3rd) failed pregnancy, but if it is ANOTHER ectopic, i am just ILL. if i do have another etopic in the same tube as before, i am going to ask that they completely CLOSE that damaged tube to avoid this again, although truly, if this IS another etopic, i'm fearful to ever try pregnancy again, i'm sad to say.
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Post by narnee on Jul 1, 2007 22:18:28 GMT -5
ok, more info i just found that is more clear than the above: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- At Mon, 20 Mar 2000, anonymous wrote: > >Sorry... I don't fully comprehend your answer. Does an intrauterine >yolk sac of 5 weeks LMP look similar to an intrauterine pseudosac that >would be diagnosed along with a tubal ectopic pregnancy? Thank you...
No. A pseudosac looks like a gestational sac PRIOR to the development of the yolk sac which would then differentiate the gestational sac (has a yolk sac) from the psedosac (doesn't develop a yolk sac because it is "pseudo" - not real i.e not an intrauterine gestation).
HSM ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
this is good news, i suppose. although i also read that one in 43,000 have 2 pregnancies at the same time with one being IN the tube (most times when fertility drugs are being use - - we are not doing any fertility treatments). so, that would be totally crazy if i am experiencing BOTH a blighted ovum AND another etopic at the same time. i certainly hope not. time will tell.
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Post by narnee on Jul 2, 2007 12:57:02 GMT -5
update: this mornings ultrasound showed the gestational and yolk sacs still hanging on, even though it seemed as though my body was handling it (a miscarriage), the 4 weeks of spotting and full week of bleeding did not rid my body of the elements of conception (pregnancy). i was quite surprised to see the sacs STILL on the screen now that i am into week 13. I spent the morning at the hospital in pre-op and have surgery (D&C scheduled for tomorrow at 12:30EST). i am hoping that this D&C is as uneventful and successful as my other 2. I was truly hoping to avoid it this time (surgery) as hospitals and surgeries put me in a level of anxiety that is uncomfortable - - worse that the surgery itself. thanks so much for your thoughts, encouragement and communication of experiences. I guess my lesson learned on this one is - - just GET a D&C if you go beyond 8 weeks - - it will save time and worry - - to just GET ON with life. it has been a difficult few weeks / months.
interestingly, the nurse who did my pre-op work has had SEVEN miscarriages - - with THREE of the 7 being ectopic pregnancies. when she told me that, i just broke down and cried - - for HER! i can not imagine - - makes my experiences look like grade school.
i had previously told my husband "i need some sort of reward or trophy for dealing with this again and again"... and when i told him about the nurse today he said "i think that is your trophy". i have to agree. puts things in better perspective for me.
whew - - here is hoping that things go well... i am a nervous wreck.
- susan
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Post by narnee on Jul 3, 2007 22:17:28 GMT -5
D&C was done this morning. has been a groggy day but i do feel some relief believing that this MAY FINALLY be behind me. thanks for everything - - the shared information, compassion, support and encouragement!!! - susan
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Post by andee on Jul 4, 2007 17:17:29 GMT -5
Take care of yourself. I'm sorry that you had to go through this.
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Post by eli on Jul 5, 2007 0:03:47 GMT -5
So sorry it finally came to this but now you can have some closure. It is finally done, now time to take care of yourself and focus on your recovery both physically and emotionally. We all grow stronger with these trials and we have known pain that many have never faced. Especially you considering you have been through 3 losses. You have got to be an incredibly strong woman. I am so sorry it went on so long for, get some rest and let us know how you are doing.
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Post by emadagan on Jul 5, 2007 6:29:12 GMT -5
Susan, I am glad that maybe this part is finally over for you. I was praying for you yesterday. How are you feeling today? Take care hon!
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Post by narnee on Jul 9, 2007 17:12:42 GMT -5
hi andee, eli and carol - thanks for the messages.
i attended a lovely family reunion over the weekend. it came just at the right time. i am SO blessed with such an amazing family / extended family. the blessings in THAT area are truly abundant!!!!!!! it is sad to me to not have children of my own to pass this amazing, loving heritage on to. but, i will focus on the blessings God HAS given me and my husband. we fell SO SO blessed with our families!!!!!!!!!
we talked about adoption for the first time, seriously, last week. it was a good discussion.
with these losses, maybe that is the direction God wants us to seek. we'll see. we are starting our "homework" now regarding adoption options and i am excited and open to the possibility of God blessing us with children in a way we may have not originally expected. or, if God choses for us to remain childless and invest our energies elsewhere, i pray we will find that direction(s) and serve Him well.
i am truly relieved to have this blighted ovum behing me (i think). i am experiencing pain (and through this entire blighted ovum thing) in the same area of my previous ectopic pregnancy. they suspect it is aggrivated scar tissue and that it will stop hurting over time. as of now, that is the only issue at the moment, and although irritating, certainly not a major thing to deal with. nothing like living on eggshells with trying to miscarry naturally (fear of excess bleeding / infection - - or the looming fear of surgery, now safely behind me).
thank you for your prayers Carol. i truly believe in the power of prayer and feel very blessed by the prayers of loving caring people like you! thank you! how are you doing?
i am swamped with work (freelance graphic designer) since i pretty much took the last 2 weeks off, so i won't be on the board as much as i was when i was "stuck in the bed", but will check back when i can. feel free to email me any time: susanellison78@yahoo.com, as i check that email daily.
thanks so much for your encouragement, support and prayers!!!!!
- susan
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